Berliner Tageszeitung - Don't make 'disappointing' retreat on climate, COP30 CEO urges EU

In an interview in Paris, Ana Toni urged the European Union to unite around a strong emissions reduction target as the 27-nation bloc squabbles over its level of climate ambition.

The European Commission has proposed cutting emissions by 90 percent by 2040 compared to 1990 levels but some member states argue the figure is too high, delaying its approval.

Brussels is pushing to revamp its economic and defence competitiveness in the aftermath of Donald Trump's election, and climate advocates fear the EU's green goals could suffer as priorities are realigned.

The debate is being closely watched as countries finalise their own climate plans, known as nationally determined contributions (NDCs), which are supposed to be submitted to the UN before the COP30 conference in the Amazonian city of Belem.

A: "The EU needs to lead. We really need the EU to lead. If they can't, we shouldn't then be disappointed that other developing countries -- major countries like India, China -- will also be rethinking how ambitious they need to be."

A: "I obviously understand the pressure. We feel the same pressure, the political pressure at home. If you were to ask (Brazilian) President Lula (Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva) when he decided to agree on a NDC that is decarbonising by 67 percent, there's no lack of pressure also from the different economic sectors that we have in Brazil."

Q:

A: "Yes, Brazil could sell a lot of carbon credits. Brazil is obviously well positioned because of our energy sector, because of reforestation, to sell carbon credit with integrity to any market."

A: "It's really sad that the federal government from the US decided to withdraw again... But we should remember that the US is not just the federal government. You have the private sector in the US, you have the national governments. They say that around 60 percent of the laws related to climate is in the hands of state governors, not of the federal government.

"Climate needs stability. You need planning. I think we need to all rethink what we call a country being a risky country, because most of the time everybody thought of the US as a very stable, low risk country. And some countries in the South were (considered) very high risk."

Q:

A: "I don't think China first wants to take the place because China believes on collective leadership. I think that idea of individual countries' leadership is something that's very Western, that everybody's looking for a saviour, like the leader.

"I don't think that's the Chinese culture or Brazilian culture. We like collective leadership. And yes, we can see that the Southern countries are playing a collective leadership role.

"That's why again, coming back to Europe, it is fundamental that Europe, together with Brazil, China, South Africa, India and other countries can play that collective leadership role."

A: "No type of wars is good for climate. They are anti-ecologic, any type of war -- be it military wars or trade wars. Trade can play a positive role in the decarbonisation process if we are trading low carbon goods, if we are helping each other to achieve our goals. So that's a very important message. We need to keep free trade, organise free trade, of low carbon technologies."

D. Wassiljew--BTZ